In Trap Draw episode 366, Neil and TC roll through Upstate New York with Alex Holderness and John Bourne, the duo behind Holderness & Bourne, to unpack how they went from side‐hustles to building their own apparel brand. Their journey mirrors NLU’s origins, so instead of slicing it into clips, the full interview drops everything from their backgrounds to the lessons learned along the way.
They also spotlight the Evans Scholars Foundation, give a nod to ServPro, and share ways to stay plugged in: subscribe to the No Laying Up newsletter, follow the podcast channel, or join The Nest for exclusive content, pro‐shop discounts, and minimal ads.
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