In this episode of Trap Draw, Neil and TC hit the road in Upstate New York to sit down with Alex Holderness and John Bourne, the duo behind the apparel brand Holderness & Bourne. What started as a side project grew into a thriving company, and their story has plenty of twists, pivots, and striking parallels with No Laying Up’s own journey.
Rather than slicing up clips for their travel series, they’re sharing the full interview—diving into the founders’ backgrounds, startup hustle, and hard-earned lessons. Along the way, they spotlight the Evans Scholars Foundation, plug their newsletter and podcast, and invite fans to join The Nest for exclusive content, perks, and lighter ad breaks.
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